Cabbage Savage
9:07 Tue Jul 19
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Lee Trundle 3:38 Mon Jul 18
"Kemi Badenoch vows to free up police by stopping them intervening in social media clashes"
Pickle all most put dossyays in bin
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southbankbornnbred
9:05 Tue Jul 19
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Badenoch's desperation showed by the end.
She'd made so many policy promises, all uncosted as always (see all other contenders), and made a stream of puffy false statments about her upbringing...in the end it caught up with her as the votes did.
At one point she (her team) penned a piece for the Telegraph saying she recalls flipping burgers in McDonald's, on Minimum Wage, as a 16 year-old paying her way through college.
She was 16 in 1996.
The Minimum Wage was not introduced until 1998.
There were no tuition fees to speak of back then.
What she meant was "I once had a job in McDonald's as a teenager". But so did half of Britain and, in the political world, that doesn't carry enough puffery and self-importance. So she jazzed it up, added a bunch of false whistles and bells, and got caught out. Like they all do.
All full of shit.
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Lee Trundle
3:38 Mon Jul 18
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"Kemi Badenoch vows to free up police by stopping them intervening in social media clashes"
Please PLEASE let her be the winner, even if it's just for that.
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New Jersey
3:27 Mon Jul 18
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I do apologise Willtell, for some strange reason l thought you lived in France and was trying to get some comparison between the two health care systems.
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COOL HAND LUKE
3:01 Mon Jul 18
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https://www.myspanishresidency.com/spanish-state-pensions/
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Don Ravioli
2:56 Mon Jul 18
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She’s another globalist.
Badenoch is the one. Seems like she has a bit about her.
All the rest are soundbite globalist bullshit artists.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:27 Mon Jul 18
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willtell
OK, you win. Spain has the best off well off pensioners.
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Willtell
12:36 Mon Jul 18
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Don't be confused Surface. It's just showing how pedantic you've become at your great age. It was a simple comment after I was confused by A8 saying in explanation of why UK pensions are low, that the NHS was the biggest employer in Europe.
I replied
Willtell 6:05 Sun Jul 17
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"Simple research shows that the maximum pension in UK are £141 pw; Germany £507; France £304; Spain £513. I guess A8 was trying to say that free healthcare in UK makes up for it..."
I am not a campaigner for bigger pensions. I don't care if the research was right or wrong and I published the web address for you to read.
However, the essential truth is that pensioners in UK are badly treated when compared to largely socialist Europe. £150 pw in London is worth SFA compared to a lowly Spanish peasant's £150pw.
End of my point.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:15 Mon Jul 18
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Willtell
I'm a little confused. Why would we discuss relative pensions in a context other than 'how much money do our poor old people have compared with the rest of Europe'?
Why don't you just admit you got your figures wrong? In fact, you did admit it, and funnily enough, the world didn't end. Now you're digging.
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Willtell
12:09 Mon Jul 18
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Except we weren't having an argument about subsistence level income. I was referred to maximum level pensions from a Full Fact website.
You made up your own points of reference at minimum levels.
Silly pedant.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:54 Mon Jul 18
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No Willtell.
In a discussion about relative subsistence level incomes, maximum levels are entirely irrelevant.
Silly person.
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Willtell
11:46 Mon Jul 18
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No. Only if you compare minimum pensions Surface.
I compared maximum pensions.
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Willtell
11:16 Mon Jul 18
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"Spain had a minimum means-tested pension, which works out at around £155 a week for a single person, while the maximum possible is around £535 a week."
It's in the Full Fact article I sourced below
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mashed in maryland
9:30 Sun Jul 17
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Do all Spanish pensioners get that much?
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Willtell
9:04 Sun Jul 17
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Yes LUKE - it occurred to me after I copied the researched pensions that I get more than that but I did contribute to SERPS most of my life. The standard pension figures are what I found I guess?
https://fullfact.org/europe/pensioners-eu-uk/
Thing is Spanish pensioners get £513 a week! And free healthcare. That's still a huge difference...
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COOL HAND LUKE
8:11 Sun Jul 17
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Will tell
UK state pension now is £185.15 per week, with full contribution now 35 years.
Many folks retiring at present are getting much more, as they have extensive SERPS, SP2 / AVCs contributions, which HMG 'agreed to honour' when the rates were changed i.e. some folk will have received these 'on top of' the revised general rate, given that they had made additional contributions specifically with extra pension in mind.
There's not that much to choose between most European pensions 'in total' once you consider contribution rates and the difference in composition elements.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:10 Sun Jul 17
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Willtell
The maximum pension is of no importance. It's the minimum that matters
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Side of Ham
6:05 Sun Jul 17
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Isn’t healthcare over here free to only those who get the care but have never paid any NI?
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Willtell
6:05 Sun Jul 17
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Simple research shows that the maximum pension in UK are £141 pw; Germany £507; France £304; Spain £513.
I guess A8 was trying to say that free healthcare in UK makes up for it but I believe Spain also offers free healthcare. Most nations operating proportional contributions to cost also have full cover for low income earners which includes many pensioners.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
5:59 Sun Jul 17
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RM10
How am I in denial? It's a statement of the fucking obvious. I have no idea whether UK pensioners are better or worse off than those from other countries. What I'm saying is that you have to look at the whole package, not 'pensions'.
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